Wilentz redux; or, who's really behind the race card

(Cross-Posted at dailyKos)

Sean Wilentz created a big teapot in a tempest around here with his New Republic piece Race Man, in which he blames Barack Obama for all of the racial division in the Democratic primaries. This article has become a rallying point for many Clinton supporters in advancing this claim, partially because no one else has taken up the cry. At the time I, and many others, pointed out that it was poorly documented, relied on argument by assertion and circular logic, and in no way proved its point. Since that, the article has largely fallen into obscurity except among people who occasionally trot it out along with other tired charges.

But now Wilentz is back, with a much more succinct and updated version of the same attack, Obama was the first to play the race card. The New Republic piece at least had the virtue of being poorly circulated outside the blogosphere, but this piece ups the ante by reaching for wide circulation in a state with an upcoming primary.

The piece itself is, if anything, more poorly constructed than the New Republic article. But it is clearly well written; Wilentz has put the words together well to promote the agenda he's promoting, and someone reading with an uncritical eye may be tempted to believe some of his assertions. Thus, this diary: to point a critical eye at Wilentz' Philadelphia Inquirer piece and point out the numerous problems therein.

On the issue of who has played the race card, Wilentz is betraying his role as a loyal Clinton supporter (which he is, openly) and throwing everything else to the winds. He's got great credentials, though -- intimidating ones: a well-respected Professor of History at Princeton. And I, a relatively-anonymous blogger, am going to take on his analysis?

Well... yes. I am. I don't believe the quality of either piece lives up to that standard that I would expect from a Princeton professor in the first place. In the second, I think to some extent his problems stem precisely from being a professor of History.

The core of Wilentz argument is this:

Obama's supporters and operatives, including his chief campaign strategist David Axelrod, seized on accurate and historically noncontroversial statements and supplied a supposedly covert racist subtext that they then claimed the calculating Clinton campaign had inserted.

If one accepts this without challenge then of course the battle is lost. Wilentz presents it as a statement of fact, does not present any argument for the reasonableness of the standard here, and seldom even discusses whether the remarks in question even meet his standard.

But let's examine the standard Wilentz creates here: that "accurate and historically noncontroversial statements" is a meaningful standard to apply to statements in determining if they have a racist subtext. This is especially important because Wilentz never again examines subtext on the part of the Clinton campaign (including surrogates, backers, etc), but merely assumes that there was not any subject. This standard betrays his biases as a Professor of History. When discussed among professors, or perhaps even between a Princeton professor and his students, one can perhaps assume there is no subject in making an accurate statement that his historically noncontroversial, because good faith on both sides is implied. But we're not discussing professorial statements here, we're discussing political statements.

Here are several examples of statements that are  "accurate and historically noncontroversial". Please note up front that I think all three are inappropriate and have severely negative connotations, and do not subscribe to any of them -- but that's entirely the point here. Also, I'm bringing in sexism for purposes of illustration, since it may help people who are more sensitive to those connotations spot the problem with Wilentz' standard.

  1. (Reversing Ferraro) "Hillary Clinton is where she is because she married Bill Clinton."
  2. "In the past, uppity n+++++s knew their place, and if they got out of it, they'd find themselves hanging from a tree."
  3. "Used to be, women knew their place was in the kitchen, and left the politics and voting to the men"

All three are accurate, in a broad sense of accuracy. Surely no one believes that Hillary Clinton could have moved to New York, a state with which she had no ties, and win a Senate seat with no prior history of elective office, were she not a nationally known figure due to her years in the White House. Such a statement on its face does not denigrate Hillary Clinton; it is merely a historically accurate observation. But I can't imagine any Clinton supporter not being outraged at the connotations of such a statement (rightfully so). The word "only" is stealthily hiding right before "because" in that sentence, and even without writing it a lot of people will hear it just as if it were there.

The second two are even less controversial. They're both carefully phrased as historical facts, accurate and in no way controversial as matters of history. Yet if a Clinton supporter uttered the second, or an Obama supporter uttered the third, there would be massive uprising within the opposing camp, and again rightfully so. In both statements, there is an implied inference of "the good old days", there is an implied inference of who might be uppity, or which woman should be getting herself to a kitchen.

The fact that a statement is "accurate and historically noncontroversial" does not prevent them from having a covert racist (or sexist) subtext, does not prevent them from acting as race-baiting remarks aimed as the racist voter, does not prevent them from being offensive. Wilentz presents it here to create for himself a very convenient rug under which to sweep anything that might be legitimately offensive. But it's an extremely poor standard, and must be rejected in order to have any real discussion of the injection of race into the campaigns.

Getting into the meat of the argument, Wilentz presents Shaneen thus:

In December, Bill Shaheen, a Clinton campaign co-chair in New Hampshire, wondered aloud whether Obama's admitted youthful abuse of cocaine might hurt him in the general election. Obama's strategists insisted that Shaheen's mere mention of cocaine was suggestive and inappropriate[...]

This is a very clever framing of things; it paints Shaheen as merely mentioning cocaine and Obama's campaign as reacting to the mere mention of the word. In fact, Shaheen did no such thing. His statements insinuated that perhaps Obama had been a drug dealer, a pusher, that perhaps Obama was still using drugs. Yes, he framed those as "things the Republicans might say" -- but in fact he was the one saying them. This is classic concern trolling on Shaheen's part -- advancing an argument under the guise of one's concern that "someone else" might advance it. Coming right off the dismissal of a Clinton volunteer for repeatedly telling voters that Obama was a Muslim (something we've now seen a pattern of -- which I do not blame the Clinton campaign for), and a number of other incidents, of course this was perceived as part of a larger pattern of character assassination attacks.

The context is key here. Merely questioning Obama's drug use as a possible issue is clearly fine. But questioning Obama as a possible drug dealer? Would that question have been raised about GWB had he admitted to using cocaine? Was there any rumormongering about Bill Clinton selling the marijuana that he "never inhaled"? Can anyone point out an example of a white politician who admitted to the use of drugs in earlier years, but then reformed, being painted by a supporter of the opposing candidate in a primary as a possible drug dealer?

Whether or not this was a racist statement, whether or not Shaheen intended to infer that AA's are more likely to be drug dealers, more likely to be perceived as drug dealers, etc., will never be known. But there is no question that it could be legitimately perceived as a race-based attack. On its face it is a far more offensive attack than, say, Samantha Power's "monster" comment; "monster" is a very poorly defined term that means many things to many people. "Drug dealer" and an implication of drug pusher is another thing altogether.

Wilentz then very briefly attacks "pundits partial to Obama", which is really irrelevant to which campaign played the race card when. I will note, as briefly as he did, that there's no firm evidence either way as to what NH voters did or did not do, except that exit polling very clearly differed greatly from the election results.

Wilentz then moves on to Jesse Jackson, Jr:

Next morning, Obama's national co-chair, Jesse Jackson Jr., cast false and vicious aspersions about Hillary Clinton's famous emotional moment in New Hampshire as a measure of her deep racial insensitivity. "Her appearance brought her to tears," said Jackson, "not Hurricane Katrina."

Here, in my opinion, is where Wilentz is correct, rather like the proverbial stopped clock that is right twice a day. I believe that Jesse Jackson, Jr was and is very upset with the government response to Katrina; however, he was out of line in linking Clinton's NH tears to her supposed lack of tears after New Orleans.

But then we get to the MLK/LBJ flap. Wilentz frames it thus:

Obama's backers, including members of his official campaign staff, then played what might be called "the race-baiter card." Hillary Clinton, in crediting both Lyndon Johnson as well as the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. for the Civil Rights Act in 1964, had supposedly denigrated King, and by extension Obama.

Here we have a supreme example of completely avoiding any context and presenting only a part of the story. As presented by Wilentz, this can be slid under the "accurate and historically noncontroversial" rug. But there are a number of problems with this.

First, it ignores the context of the remarks. Hillary Clinton wasn't giving a lecture on the relationship between LBJ and MLK, she was presenting a campaign argument. What was the nature of her campaign argument? That Obama was "just words" and she was action. Her oft-stated meaning behind "just words" prior to this speech was that "just words" was the opposite of action, was meaningless puffery that got nothing done, would and could accomplish nothing. By using the MLK/LBJ connection in this particular context, she linked MLK to being "just words", not in the historically accurate context of being movement leader, swayer of public opinion, builder of consensus, but in the 2008 Clinton campaign context of being a windbag who couldn't get anything done if he wanted to.

Second, it's not accurate; LBJ himself noted that without MLK's "just words" there would have been no movement, no legislation, no civil rights. One can argue that they were necessary partners, but Clinton wasn't doing that. She was advancing her "just words" argument, which denies the very importance of movements in creating change.

It boggles the mind of many that Hillary Clinton could possibly not have known that, in making a "just words" attack on Obama, that implying MLK was a speaker of "just words" and LBJ was the hero for implementing change would be offensive to many. It's simply patently unbelievable. She's far too smart to have, for a second, believed that AA's wouldn't see this as a denigration of Dr. King and his legacy. She could've chosen some other great speaker, one with limited political accomplishments, to use in that argument, but in choosing Dr. King, she either was mind-bogglingly unaware of the context in which her words would be heard, so arrogant that she believe it wouldn't matter, very snidely playing to the white racist vote, believing (correctly) that she had already largely lost the AA vote, or putting a statement out there that she knew would draw outraged responses for the purpose of later claiming that her opponent had played the race card.

Could anyone possibly have been surprised that the AA community was outraged? Could it possibly have come as a surprise? About one minute of even vague thought on the matter from anyone who knew the least bit about the reverence that Dr. King is held in by the AA community would've told just about anyone that this is exceedingly dangerous ground into which to venture, and that perhaps a different analogy would be a far better idea.

I'm skimming over both Bill Clinton's remarks in SC and the "traditional garb" flap, because they're neither clearly in either category. For Bill Clinton's remarks, one can argue with some reasonability that those are accurate and historically accurate, or one can believe them to be a put-down. For the "traditional garb" flab, at worst the Obama campaign did a far more mild version of what the Clinton campaign did in running TV ads denouncing Obama over NAFTAgate -- advancing an argument that seemed potentially true at the time, but was later proven to be false. In both cases, the Obama campaign's reaction can at least be understood as reacting to a legitimately perceived pattern of subtle race-baiting attacks on the Clinton campaign's fault, whether such attacks were intentional or merely accidental.

Wilentz then goes on to Ferraro:

Finally, David Axelrod trumpeted Geraldine Ferraro's awkward remarks in an obscure California newspaper as part of the Clinton campaign's "insidious pattern" of divisiveness.

This is again an attempt to sweep reality under the overly convenient rug. Ferraro's remarks weren't "awkward"; they were fully intentional. When someone makes something characterizable as "awkward remarks", and the awkwardness is pointed out, the problems with the remarks, the ways in which the remarks cause problems, the offense they may provoke, it's characteristic to offer an apology and rephrase, if the meaning was not intentional. Ferraro repeated them many times both before and after the height of the controversy and stands behind them.

It's also a stretch to attribute them to merely an "obscure California newspaper". Her remarks were first made before a local group. When that failed to attract any attention, she then took them to the newspaper; the author of the newspaper article made it clear that she jumped into those remarks out of the flow of the article and was very insistent that they be included. Nor did they end there; once the controversy exploded she repeated them again and again, going so far as to taking them onto right-wing talk radio.

The rug here isn't at all adequate to Wilentz' task for it. Ferraro's remarks are not "awkward"; she said what she meant and meant what she said. They're not solely in an obscure California newspaper; that was merely their launching point. It would be far more fair to characterize Rev. Wright's sermons as having been "awkward remarks on an obscure website" than it is to use such a description for Ferraro's remarks. Rev. Wright never took his sermons to the mass media in an attempt to gain distribution for them, after all.

Wilentz also betrays a baffling inability to either count or read, in mentioning that Obama linked Wright to Ferraro "three times" in his speech. Ferraro is mentioned one time, and the context is to absolve her of being a racist in her heart. He then repeats, without context, Obama's comments about his grandmother, without making it clear that Obama was saying that "typical white people" are not racists, and that when they cause interracial offense it is not from racism or bigotry but from lack of information and non-racist habit.

He then makes a last foray into the "tone-deafness" of the Obama campaign in recent days. Thus, we're supposed to believe that a campaign that has so very cleverly played the race card in such a way that they are to blame for all the racial divisiveness, no matter that they didn't make any of the remarks that are controversial, no matter that they didn't start Ferraro on her mission, no matter that they have been entirely gracious to both Ferraro and Clinton on the issue -- that this so very clever campaign has suddenly and unaccountably gone entirely tone-deaf on race for no reason whatsoever.

It is also worthwhile to note that, besides attempting to sweep inconvenient things like facts, evidence, and context under the rug, Wilentz also ignores the race-baiting attacks aimed at Obama for his use of common idiom in speaking to groups in Mississippi, ignores the race-baiting of Clinton surrogates such as Bob Kerrey, Ed Rendell, and Adelfa Callejo, ignores the pattern of Clinton phonebankers who have claimed Obama to be a Muslim (mine you, on this point I don't blame Clinton or her campaign in any way, except perhaps poor training -- but for the Obama campaign to be upset by it is entirely understandable).

It also ignores the blatant race-baiting by Clinton surrogates in Texas, where on repeated occasions statements were made that "Obama has the problem that he happens to be Black", "When blacks had the numbers, they didn't do anything to support us [Latinos]", and that "the Hispanic voter [...] has not shown a lot of willingness or affinity to support black candidates". These statements were defended by the campaign as being "historical statements" (rather similar to Wilentz smokescreen). In fact, these are not historical statements. There are numerous examples of AA politicians in Texas who have run very strongly with Latino voters, and there are numerous examples of AA politicians who have very well served their Latino constituents. Is the Obama campaign also to be held accountable for these instances of race-baiting?

Making it clear once again: I'm not arguing that Hillary Clinton is a racist, nor that her campaign is collectively racist. I do believe that it's clear that some examples of racist language and race-baiting have come out of her campaign, and that there are many more examples of language which invites legitimate response from the Obama campaign than there are examples in which the response was overblown.

Attempting to just sweep every triggering Clinton-affiliated statement under the rug of "accurate and historically noncontroversial" totally ignores context and meaning, inference and smear, and justifiable displeasure and outrage; further ignoring the history of some remarks makes them seem far less offensive than they were; and ignoring a great number of incidents paints the picture that all of those that might perhaps be swept under the rug are the sum total of the incidents that exists. Just as Wilentz overestimates Ferraro's representation in Obama's speech, he also undercounts the number of incidents, and ignores many that are entirely indefensible.

Wilentz's argument is only sensible if you believe the premise -- if, as Wilentz argues, Obama is always the player of the race card. If you even grant for the purposes of argument that Obama isn't always the bad guy, that context matters, or even that an argument may not have been intended as racist or race-baiting but might be legitimately perceived that way by a listener sensitive to those things, the entire argument collapses like the rickety house of cards that it is.

While it's very much arguable which campaign was the first to use the race card, Wilentz is not the person to look to when making those arguments. His entirely one-sided and context-free explication of the events do no service to any real understanding of who did what when, and his attempts to sweep everything under a convenient rug may serve the interests of his candidate, but they do truth and logic no service at all.



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NAFTA gate (none / 0)

Has not been proven false.


by Mayor McCheese on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:21:19 PM EST

Re: NAFTA gate (2.00 / 0)

He's right; there's strong evidence that Clinton's campaign was saying those things to the Canadians.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:49:59 PM EST
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Re: NAFTA gate (none / 0)

Yeah, except the CANADIAN GOVERNMENT said only Obama had approached them and they had no contact from the Clinton campaign.


by cmugirl90 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 02:10:23 PM EST
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Re: NAFTA gate (none / 0)

No, that changed. Didn't you get the memo?


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 02:12:39 PM EST
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Re: NAFTA gate (none / 0)

You are incorrect.  The Canadian Prime Minster confirmed that both: (a) they had contact with Obama's people, in which his economic adviser told them not to take his tough talk on NAFTA seriously, and (b) that they had no contact with Clinton's people.

The only "source" for the notion that Clinton also had talks was an article in Canadian press which offered a vague allegation that an anonymous source had heard "some people" suggest that "someone" had a meeting.  It was complete garbage and was quickly dismissed as such.

On the other hand, you have official Canadian government documents proving that Barack Obama told you a bold-faced lie on this one.


by bobbank on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 09:01:46 PM EST
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Re: NAFTA gate (none / 0)

No, actually there's ZERO evidence of this.http://www.pr-inside.com/canadian-p rime-minister-s-office-says-r475726.htm
by Mayor McCheese on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 02:15:27 PM EST
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You lost me at "cross-posted at DKos". (1.60 / 5)

I knew immediatley that this would be a Hillary Hit piece.


by Shazone on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:23:16 PM EST

Wilenz is a history professor at PRINCETON (2.00 / 1)

not Harvard. you could have at least done your homework before the diatribe.


by Mayor McCheese on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:26:50 PM EST

Re: Wilenz is a history professor at PRINCETON (2.00 / 0)

Already fixed, and thanks... wrote the header late last night when low on sleep.


by Texas Gray Wolf on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:28:29 PM EST
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great response (2.00 / 0)


by highgrade on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:27:14 PM EST

Wilentz redux (2.00 / 2)

I completely disagree with you.  I do understand the very strong need on the part of Obama supporters to deny his playing of the race card.  Cognitive dissonance: the notion of Obama's campaign playing dirty racial politics is so completely incompatible with the media-created image of him that only one can possibly stay in your mind.

Some will choose facts.  Others will choose the media caricature.  But no one can possibly believe both.

As you took the time to write a long critique, I would like to take the time to write a long rebuttal, which I cannot do while at work.  So I will have to return to this.  In the meantime I'm so happy that this argument is finally getting a little bit of public exposure.  Once I realized the kind of politician Barack Obama is, I dropped my support of him within days, and I hope that Sean's article can similarly open eyes for others.


by bobbank on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:27:15 PM EST

The New Republic (2.00 / 1)

Wilentz's piece was published in The New Republic, where he is a contributing editor who usually writes on music and the arts.

Not in Buckley's National Review.

Your piece will read as somewhat more factual if you make that correction. I'll give you credit for engaging his argument.


by souvarine on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:27:22 PM EST

Re: The New Republic (none / 0)

Sorry, corrected.


by Texas Gray Wolf on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:30:53 PM EST
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who's really behind the race card (2.00 / 1)

Thank you for diary. The Obama campaign has been an education for me. It has opened my eyes.

I thought the problem of racism was mostly a remnant of the past hidden away behind newly established cultural taboos against spoken bigotry and punished by institutional rules ranging from corporate diversity policies to legal remedies taken against violators.

Now I learn that for all this time when our attention has been focused on dealing with white racism an entire black culture that openly teaches bigotry against whites has been thriving. Given that Barack Obama is a member of this bigoted culture it is no surprise to me now to understand him claiming victimhood whenever he is called to task or criticized.

It has gotton to the point when a white liberal like myself cannot even mock someone running for president by making fun of his drug use, or his middle name, or his lies, or his lack of experience,  without being called a race baiter.

Neither Hillary Clinton nor I are race baiters. But Barack Hussain Obama is a bigot and a shameless liar.

It really is that simple.


by Caliman on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:28:00 PM EST

Re: who's really behind the race card (2.00 / 0)

I'm going to hope at least part of this is snark -- or why would you want to make fun of a candidate's middle name? Would it be fine if I started making name-based jokes about Hillary Clinton?

The point here isn't that things are off the table due to the race issue. One can challenge Obama's past drug use (non-issue, in my opinion, but certainly challengeable), his possible lies, his alleged lack of experience without being called a race-baiter. It would even be possible to advance the argument Ferraro was allegedly making (as opposed to what she said and repeated) without crossing the line.

The problem is that Wilentz is alleging things to be entirely one-sided that are clearly not. He's glossing over anything that doesn't fit neatly into his argument and then sweeping the whole Clinton-campaign side of things under the rug, leaving only bad, bad Obama.

Mind you, and I want to make this clear again, since some people don't or won't read what I said: I am not accusing Hillary Clinton of being a racist or a race-baiter, and in most cases I'm not accusing her campaign or supporters of that either (there are exceptions, where it's hard to argue that there wasn't intentional race-baiting -- Ferraro and Callejo being obvious examples).

However, Wilentz attempts not just to argue that (with which I could agree) but also that there is no un-intentional race-baiting going on, that there can be no legitimate upset and outrage on the part of the Obama campaign and supporters. And that's an entirely different statement. Sometimes things are said innocently that turn out to be offensive, and in that case it's up to the innocent offender to apologize and the offended to accept the apology in good faith.


by Texas Gray Wolf on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:42:32 PM EST
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Re: who's really behind the race card (2.00 / 0)

Wow, really?  Obama is a member of the racist black subculture?  And he's a victim of White racism?  And a bigot?  


by Whash on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:49:53 PM EST
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Re: Wilentz (2.00 / 2)

I dont get it?  You are saying that the Clinton comments were i fact racist and more specfically were "a covert racist  subtext, and this does not prevent them from acting as race-baiting remarks aimed as the racist voter, does not prevent them from being offensive".  Who says this.

This is a example of people who think race is some one way street when the "keepers of all things racist" lecture us about the subtle meanings of racism and funny after this lecture we find out that our candidate is a racist.

So you get to decide what is and is not racism.  It is this nonsense that drives away Reagan democrats.  They are sick of this new and changing and selfserving defination of racism that seems to justify going around calling anyone who disagree with your political views on race as a racist.

What you are really doing is nothing more than lecturing us in a condensending manner what is or is not racist.  Please.

david


by giusd on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:36:04 PM EST

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Sorry, but have Democrats forgotten the origins of the term 'Reagan Democrats'?  This was a group who's origin was a direct result of racist right wing  strategies- a continuation of Nixon's "southern strategy".  In the rush to lionize them around here (as well as all the concern trolling regarding whether we'll lose the election because of them not voting for Obama), I wish a few more of our 'progressives' would try and remember that.

This was the GOP's strategy, to stir up working/middle class White resentment towards Blacks to keep them from voting in their actual financial and social interests but instead get them voting with the GOP, inspite of the fact that doing so was completely against their interests.

Obama addressed that history directly in his speech:

Just as black anger often proved counterproductive, so have these white resentments distracted attention from the real culprits of the middle class squeeze - a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices, and short-term greed; a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests; economic policies that favor the few over the many.

It continues to shock me how willing some Democrats are to try and play this game.  It's the GOP's game, Nixon's game, Reagan's game, the immigrant hater's game.  It's the game Pat Buchana worried in his last book that the GOP was in danger of losing through what he saw as Bush/Rove's pandering to Latinios, it's the game he's been trying to forment all year in his comments after every single Dem primary when Whites voted for Obama.  It's the game he was playing when he wrote his real race baiting essay in response to Obama's speech.  

Democrats that forget this stuff is all a GOP game are playing it to the detriment of our party.

Obama also discussed all the false claims of race baiting that have been flying around from supporters of both candidates, fed primarily by the media, and hoped that people would see though that stuff and actually focus on what mattered in this campaign:

We can play Reverend Wright's sermons on every channel, every day and talk about them from now until the election, and make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words. We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she's playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies.

We can do that.

But if we do, I can tell you that in the next election, we'll be talking about some other distraction. And then another one. And then another one. And nothing will change.

That is one option. Or, at this moment, in this election, we can come together and say, "Not this time." This time we want to talk about the crumbling schools that are stealing the future of black children and white children and Asian children and Hispanic children and Native American children. This time we want to reject the cynicism that tells us that these kids can't learn; that those kids who don't look like us are somebody else's problem. The children of America are not those kids, they are our kids, and we will not let them fall behind in a 21st century economy. Not this time.

This time we want to talk about how the lines in the Emergency Room are filled with whites and blacks and Hispanics who do not have health care; who don't have the power on their own to overcome the special interests in Washington, but who can take them on if we do it together.

This time we want to talk about the shuttered mills that once provided a decent life for men and women of every race, and the homes for sale that once belonged to Americans from every religion, every region, every walk of life. This time we want to talk about the fact that the real problem is not that someone who doesn't look like you might take your job; it's that the corporation you work for will ship it overseas for nothing more than a profit.

This time we want to talk about the men and women of every color and creed who serve together, and fight together, and bleed together under the same proud flag. We want to talk about how to bring them home from a war that never should've been authorized and never should've been waged, and we want to talk about how we'll show our patriotism by caring for them, and their families, and giving them the benefits they have earned.

I see none of you on either side listened...


by Whash on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:11:38 PM EST
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Re: Wilentz (none / 0)

No one is "In the rush to lionize them around here" what i am saying is these voters see race in a very different way. And rather than consider their legitimate views you are doing what so may liberals have done for years.  That is pass judgment on their views about race and lecture them on race.

These Reagan dems do not think they vote GOP for president because of some "direct result of racist right wing  strategies- a continuation of Nixon's southern strategy".  They vote GOP for president because they don't agree with the politics of race as put forward by NE liberals like Kerry, Dukakis, etc.  And it is the condescending views of dems like you that push these voters off.  

These voters need a reason to vote Dem and are sick and tried of being lectured to and called racist.  BO speech left these voters cold and not because it was a great speech but because they are tried of speeches.  These voters see Ferraro thrown under the bus but how there is a different set of rules for someone like Rev Wright.  I call this "Racial Fatigue" and these voters are tried of it. They want help and solutions to their issues not one way lectures about race and the post civil rights new definition of what racism means.

david


by giusd on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 02:13:31 PM EST
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Many Obama supporters are... (2.00 / 1)

HYPOCRITES!

When you talk about "concern trolling" by Shaheen, isn't that what many Obama supporters have been doing since the beginning?  I mean, that was one of the very core reasons for the Obama campaign from the onset: "Hillary's negatives are so high.  She can't win.  People don't like her.  I mean, I like her just fine, but a lot of others don't.  She's unelectable.  All that baggage she's carrying, she just can't shake it."  

And then the very mention of something negative about Obama and all his supporters are up in arms.  You all are ridiculous!


by unabashed dem on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:50:52 PM EST

A brilliant and comprehensive rebuttal TexasWolf (2.00 / 0)

And the thing is, while you deftly unpick the innuendo and the logical subterfuge, most reasonable people can pick it up anyway. A quick read of Wilentz to say, Obama's More Perfect Union, will convince all but the tone deaf. I think polls are showing it anyway. How can a mixed race candidate play the race card anyway, against anybody but himself. A lot of less well educated people are smart to this particular Professor of Chimera in the School of Sophistry.

But at least you've given us rational ammunition to defeat this slur, for which, many thanks


by brit on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:59:07 PM EST

Re: A brilliant and comprehensive rebuttal TexasWo (none / 0)

The sad fact is, Obama's not White in America, or even biracial to most people.  He's simply Black.  


by Whash on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:17:12 PM EST
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Fallacies... (2.00 / 0)

2 "In the past, uppity n+++++s knew their place, and if they got out of it, they'd find themselves hanging from a tree."
3 "Used to be, women knew their place was in the kitchen, and left the politics and voting to the men

Uppity n+++ and women did not "KNOW" their places, they were forced into their places.  Your statement is a false representation of reality.  Therefore, those are not non-controversial reflections of reality.

The rest of your argument falls flat from that point on.


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:16:18 PM EST

Re: Fallacies... (none / 0)

It's the same statement - it's not that they voluntarily chose their places, it's that they knew the consequences of engaging in politics.


by Mostly on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:33:21 PM EST
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They are not the same statements... (2.00 / 0)

because the diarist is debunking Wilhentz's claims as follows

The core of Wilentz argument is this:
   Obama's supporters and operatives, including his chief campaign strategist David Axelrod, seized on accurate and historically noncontroversial statements and supplied a supposedly covert racist subtext that they then claimed the calculating Clinton campaign had inserted.

He then sets up a comparison with historically inaccurate, and controversial statements (women and n++ "knew" their place).  The expected outrage at hypothetical historically inaccurate and controversial statements that betray racial and gender prejudice does not mean that HRC's historically accurate and noncontroversial statements should also evoke outrage


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:40:05 PM EST
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Re: They are not the same statements... (2.00 / 0)

The point is relatively simple, and the statements that I used are merely illustrative (I hope that no one thinks those statements were actually made in this campaign).

The mere fact that a statement may be accurate and historically noncontroversial does not mean that it can't also trigger legitimate outrage as a piece of race-baiting (or sexism-baiting). That's the real point, not picking apart things meant merely to illustrate it.

And I assure you, in the bad old days those groups did indeed "know" their place -- in many cases the place was legally defined for them (such as women's not being allowed to vote, or high barriers to block voting). You may argue (and I would fully agree) that the situation was entirely wrong, that those who fought it were in the right, that they were forced into those places, and you would be right. But that doesn't change the situation. In the historical time periods to which I'm referring, "their place" was very well known, and those who fought the system were often punished with great viciousness for their decision to fight.


by Texas Gray Wolf on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:53:45 PM EST
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Re: They are not the same statements... (none / 0)

Perhaps you should modify your diary to include examples of statements that are actually "accurate and historically noncontroversial".  The way you have set it up is intellectually dishonest.  

Your sample statements, which you claim as being representative of all "historically accurate and non-controversial" statements are indeed inaccurate and controversial.  Their use is meant to evoke a feeling of outrage ~ thus leaving the reader with the conclusion that historically accurate and non-controversial statements can render a feeling of outrage.

You will have to do a lot better than this, if you want to argue with a Professor of History at Princeton !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 02:00:26 PM EST
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Re: Wilentz redux... (none / 0)

Opinions of other independent observers:

John Lewis: on Obama & race card

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VaVeobO8 yQ

Cenk Urgur: on Obama and race card

http://news.aol.com/newsbloggers/2008/01 11/barack-obamas-campaign-plays-the-rac e-card


by Hurdy Gurdy on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:28:11 PM EST

"Arguable" (2.00 / 1)

". . .it's very much arguable which campaign was the first to use the race card. . ."

If you, a passionate Obama supporter admit that the issue is "very much arguable," then, it seesm to me, that Obama has already lost this issue. As a Hillary supporter, I don't think the question is "arguable" at all.

Cui bono? Who benefited from the playing of the race card? Obama did. He played the race card to save his floundering campaign after New Hampshire. He made himself into "the Black candidate" because he needed a big win in South Carolina. Hillary, who desperately needed African American votes in the primary and general election, had no motive whatsoever to play the "race card." And, in the subsequent primaries, even outside the Deep South, Hillary has found it very difficult to overcome the built-in 8 to 1 or 9 to 1 lead that Obama has with African American voters, even by beating him soundly in the other demographic groups. It simply would have made no political sense whatsoever for her to introduce race into the campaign, and that reason alone (not to mention her and Bill's abhorrance of racism) is enough to show that she didn't.

Anyway, if you think the problem is arguably Obama's fault, then there nothing wrong with Wilentz, or any other Clinton suppoter, making that argument. You have your slant, he has his. And his slant is in the public record.

I'm not going to bother getting into the tit-for-tat of all the sub-issues with you. Sufficed to say, I find each and every one of your claims to be as unpersuasive and self-serving, as ad hoc and inconsistent, as one-sided and fallacious, as you think Wilentz' claims are. You want to rehash all of this, fine. But every one of the issues you discuss has been debated to death already, here and elsewhere.

I beleve that Wilentz has done nothing more than state the obvious, and what will probably become the consensus, view of the issue.


by freemansfarm on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:41:45 PM EST

Re: "Arguable" (2.00 / 0)

Both slants are in the public record. It's not at all clear which campaign has benefited more. For that claim to be made, you'd have to argue that Obama wouldn't have gathered overwhelming support among AA's without playing the race card; that's a questionable statement at best. Is Clinton's very high support among non-young white females because of clever playing of the gender card, or because they want to vote for a candidate they identify with?

The question is how many white bigot votes these tactics have brought to the table, if you're weighing which campaign has gotten an advantage. There's very clear polling data that shows that, among voters for which race is an issue, Clinton has an enormous lead. Would she anyway, if the issue had been minimized? Quite possibly, but it's impossible to determine that.

And in determining "blame", you're not looking at outcomes but goals. I for one have no doubt whose ears Ferraro's comments were meant for, and they're not anyone in the blogosphere, they're low-information bigoted Mississippi, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, and West Virginia voters. There would be no reason for her to take her remarks on right-wing talk radio if they had simply been misstatements or accidentally offensive.

I'm willing to concede that the point is open for discussion. In fact, I think neither campaign is even close to blame-free. Jesse Jackson, Jr's comments are, as far as I'm concerned, quite inappropriate. So are Shaheen's. Ferraro's are way, way beyond inappropriate.

But the whole point of this was to challenge Wilentz, who seems to think that it's an open-and-shut case that only Obama has any part of the blame. I think that's a ridiculous assertion that runs contrary to the facts as we know them. I'm not saying he can't make the argument; of course he can. I'm arguing that he made the argument very, very poorly, using bad logic in an attempt to avoid actually looking at context and seeing if there could be legitimate offense taken, and ignoring much of the substance of the remarks he attempts to cover.

Last point: it's entirely possible to argue both that Hillary Clinton, and her campaign in general, is not racist and has not engaged in willful race-baiting (let's leave out Ferraro and Shaheen, here; neither are really "campaign officials" in the true sense of the word), while at the same time Obama and his campaign are not guilty of intentionally injecting the race card. How's that possible? Because remarks that weren't meant to be offensive can be offensive, and it's not illegitimate to challenge offensive remarks, no matter their intent.

I actually believe that's the most likely truth behind most of this: that the Clinton campaign has seldom if ever acted to inject race into the campaign, and yet the Obama campaign has seldom if ever played the race card in any unjustified manner. There are exceptions (Ferraro & Shaheen; Jesse Jackson, Jr) on both sides, but overall, there's a lack of malice on both sides.


by Texas Gray Wolf on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 02:06:44 PM EST
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Obama (none / 0)

wouldn't have gathered overwhelming support among AA's without playing the race card


by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 02:16:48 PM EST
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Re: Obama (2.00 / 0)

You can believe what you want to believe, I'll believe what I want to believe. I think he'd have had very similar support among AA's if there'd never been racial issues in the campaign.


by Texas Gray Wolf on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 03:08:02 PM EST
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Re: "Arguable" (none / 0)

It's not at all clear which campaign has benefited more.

Wow, talk about a fairtale.

david


by giusd on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 02:17:09 PM EST
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Again, cui bono? (none / 0)

Look at the timeline. Obama's campaing first began "discovering" racism at the time of his NH loss. At this point, none of the Deep South, heavily African American states had voted. South Carolina was next up. Hillary Clinton still had some non-minimal support among African Americans. The all white, but crucially important because first, states of Iowa and NH were done. Obama being the non- or post-racial or racially transcendant candidate was no longer convenient. No, now it was time for Obama to be the "Black candidate" and the Clintons to be "racists." This is why Obama started to sound suspiciously like Malcom X at this point. Notice, that had nothing to do with the Clintons being "racists," but was still an example of injecting race into the campaign. It was clearly to Obama's advantage to play the race card, and he did so.

Everything else is subterfuge. Now, when there is only one heavily African American state left to vote, and when Obama has to garner white votes to finish off Hillary, and to compete in the general election, and, when he needs to minimize the damage done by his association with Wright, Obama has gone back into non-, post-racial/racially transcendant mode.

Hillary's support among "non-young white women" simply has nothing to do with it. Obama needed not merely "support" from African Americans, but overwhelming support. Hillary gets nothing like the 85 to 90 per cent of women's votes to compare with that percentage of African American votes that Obama is garnering. You are cherry picking to limit the comparison to "non-young white women." And, even at that, I doubt she is getting 90% of their votes.

As for racist whites, they were never going to vote for Obama anyway. Why does anyone need to present proof to "determine" that?

Hillary needed a multiracial coalition to win the nomination, just as Obama did. Racist whites were always going to vote for her, if the only other choice was Obama. In the Democratic primaries, there are enough white voters who would stick with Obama even after he had identified himself as the "Black candidate." But very few African Americans are going to vote for a white candidate who is being portrayed as racist. Thus, Obama had every reason to play the "race card," while Hillary had none.

Again, I am simply not going to get into the tit-for-tat over Ferraro's statements, MLK/LBJ, and all the rest of it. I flatly disagree with each and every one of your attempts to rationalize the numerous instances of the Obama campaign's obvious, and obviously successful, attempts to play the race card. Wilentz is simply correct in describing this as an open and shut, one-sided case, and you are simply wrong.

But, I will respond to your claim concerning honest mistakes and unintentional racism. A big part of hearing racism in ambiguous remarks is knowledge about the speaker. The Clintons, until this campaign, had never been plausibly connected to racism, just the opposite, in fact. That being the case, what legitimate excuse did the Obama campaign have for putting the worst case, "racist outrage" spin on every statement coming from Hillary and Bill? None. It was all about political gain. And, in any event, Obama, in his "Great Speech," now claims that we must look for context when a statement appears to be arguably "racist," that we must search for "nuance" and not be so quick to yell "racism!" at the drop of a hat, that we must examine the whole person, and their whole record and life-work, and not play the "race card" on the basis of one, or even a few, remarks? That's Obama's take on Wright, but where was all that when his campaingn, his wife, and his supporters were finding a new, "racist outrage" coming out of the Clinton camp every day? Nowhere.

That's because it's all about what's convenient to Obama: from January 2007 through New Hampshire, racial transcendence was to his advantage; from South Carolina until the Wright issue broke, playing the "race card" was to his advantage; and, now, racial transcendence is back to being to his advantage. Obama's stance matches what is convenient in all three cases. I can't believe that's a coinidence.

And, I refuse to accept your bland "their both to blame and/or neither one of them is" for the hideous injection of race and racism into this campaign. Obama, and only Obama, is the guilty party. It crippled Hillary in the primaries and may very well cripple him in the General Election.

Any other interpretation is partisan revisionism.


by freemansfarm on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 05:04:46 PM EST
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Re: Wilentz redux; or, who's really behind the rac (none / 0)

had to drop by to see what MyDD had to say.  I would judge the comments above as very gentle.  

The bottom line is the South Carolina campaign made no bones about bringing up racism charges where ever they could find them to make him more well known.  Remember at the time, the concern was that Obama was not 'black enough'.  

And in closing, I would say again, if you care about race relations, then work for better communication, etc in your community.  Writing hit pieces about defense pieces of hit pieces is kinda self serving, ya know?

Go make something good happen in your community.


by crazyshirley2100 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:53:09 PM EST

Re: Wilentz redux; or, who's really behind the rac (2.00 / 0)

Already have, and continuing to. Spent a whole lot of time Saturday in particular literally rubbing shoulders (and knees, and legs, and arms, and pretty much anything else you can bump into each other in polite company) with quite a large number of AA's in an overly crowded high school gym, and yes we got to talking as well, and rediscovered yet again that we get along pretty well, which really is the key to getting along even better. Familiarity, in this case, breeds anything but contempt.


by Texas Gray Wolf on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 02:10:45 PM EST
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I would say again (none / 0)

 Obama wouldn't have gathered overwhelming support among AA's without playing the race card


by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 02:19:54 PM EST
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Point by point refutation (2.00 / 1)

As promised, a detailed rebuttal.

Sean Wilentz created a big teapot in a tempest around here with his New Republic piece Race Man, in which he blames Barack Obama for all of the racial division in the Democratic primaries.

Strawman.  He does not blame Barack Obama for all racial division in our primary.  He accused the Barack Obama campaign of deliberately injecting race in order to stir resentment and disparage his opponent.  And then he backs that accusation with factual examples.  Clearly there was going to be some degree of racial tension in this race no matter what anyone did.  The allegation here is that Barack Obama manipulated that in an irresponsible way, for his own short-term gain.

Thus, this diary: to point a critical eye at Wilentz' Philadelphia Inquirer piece and point out the numerous problems therein.

I encourage you to do so.

The core of Wilentz argument [...] If one accepts this without challenge then of course the battle is lost. Wilentz presents it as a statement of fact, does not present any argument for the reasonableness of the standard here

False.  The entire piece, Race Man, is simply a compilation of factual examples.  Actually that's why I think it is poorly written; it's too encyclopedic.  But it does use ample citation, give full context, and supports his assertion with numerous, factual examples.

The fact that a statement is "accurate and historically noncontroversial" does not prevent them from having a covert racist (or sexist) subtext, does not prevent them from acting as race-baiting remarks aimed as the racist voter, does not prevent them from being offensive.

Clearly anything can be made controversial if that is one's intent.  I could say that your diary is extremely controversial to me because you are trying to justify racism against whites.  Or I could be rational and assume that was not your intent, even if that is, to an arguable degree, the result.  So rather than making a rug of your own under which to sweep things you disagree with, you should simply evaluate his examples, individually, on their merits.

Merely questioning Obama's drug use as a possible issue is clearly fine.

That's correct.  Barack Obama has admitted to using cocaine.  Some people might have a problem with that.  If they do, it isn't because they are racist.  The idea of injecting race into this is absurd.  Do you think that Barack Obama used cocaine?  If so, are you racist?  If not, why are you lowering yourself intellectually to the level of trying to defend the notion that this is racism?

If you want to believe it was an inappropriate question, that's fine.  Personally I think it is fair game.  (And, for me, the fact that he was a cocaine user for some period of his life is not especially a big deal.)

he was out of line in linking Clinton's NH tears to her supposed lack of tears after New Orleans.

Agreed.  He actually said that, because Hillary had cried in NH, but did not cry when speaking about Katrina, that African Americans in South Carolina should not vote for her.  I know that sounds outrageous and that you may not wish to believe me, so youtube it and see for yourself.

Did you know that, afterwards, he began a campaign calling on black superdelegates, and told them that they had better vote based on skin color, or they would find themselves out of a job?  Google Emanuel Cleaver to find more.  This account was confirmed by all parties involved, including Jackson Jr., who bragged about it.  Just to be crystal clear: Jesse Jackson Jr. was not simply a surrogate, but co-chair of the campaign.  So these are the campaign's official and unabashed actions.

I notice also, by the way, you skip the example wherein Obama surrogates told the press that the only reason they lost in New Hampshire was because whites gave into hidden bigotry at the polls, even though this was disproven.  They kept bringing up weeks later on HuffPo, too, citing Ghosts of the Bradley Effect.

First, it ignores the context of the remarks.

(This is now about LBJ.)  Actually you are the one that is ignoring context, although, to your credit, you explain the context pretty well in your piece: Hillary was trying to make a point that only in the union of inspiration and action do we find solutions to our problems.  That isn't racist.

Please check out the excellent special that Bill Moyers did in response to this whole affair.  As he correctly and eloquently points out - the only party to inject racism into this was Obama sympathists, via the NY Times, by making the ridiculous assertion that Hillary was trying to say that black man cannot get anything done without the help of a white man.

Moyers sums it up so well (not sure if he too has somehow been discredited by the Obama smear machine) that I find I have nothing else to say on this.

I'm skimming over both Bill Clinton's remarks in SC and the "traditional garb" flap, because they're neither clearly in either category.

I actually think Bill's remarks are the only ones I would have trouble convincingly defending.  Yes, they were historically accurate, but he is a smart enough politician to know what would be implied by that comparison.  It doesn't make him racist, but it does mean that he acted foolishly in this case.

Let me just say that Jesse Jackson, himself the subject of Clinton's remarks, said they were not racist, and actually admonished the Obama campaign in an interview with Esquire, for what he called "more gotcha politics".

Further, let me add that, after denying flat out that his campaign had anything to do with pushing the race issue to gin up votes in SC, Obama was cornered by Russert in a nationally televised debate.  He was forced to confess his lie, and claimed to "regret" pushing the race issue so hard.

Ferraro's remarks weren't "awkward"; they were fully intentional.

Oh I agree.  They were fully intentional, and dead on accurate.  My problem with Ferraro is similar to my problem with Bill in SC - knowing the hypersensitive climate, in which a ravenous media was eager to find any dirt in this game of racial politics, she should have tempered her words.  She should have said precisely: Barack Obama's campaign has used racial tensions to their advantage in this contest, and I don't appreciate it, and don't think it's responsible.

Instead she feigned indignance the next day and it just didn't play out.  Olbermann took the opportunity to deliver his first segment ever dedicated to defacing a loyal Democrat, only a few days later tossing a pitiful softball interview toward friend Obama over the far more serious Wright controversy.

Wilentz also betrays a baffling inability to either count or read, in mentioning that Obama linked Wright to Ferraro "three times" in his speech. Ferraro is mentioned one time

False.  And since you tried to use this to insult Wilentz, I will have to return the favor and ask that you learn to read (or listen) more carefully:

(1) "we've heard the implication that my candidacy is somehow an exercise in affirmative action..."

(2) "..just as some have dismissed Geraldine Ferraro, in the aftermath of her recent statements.."

(3) "We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she's playing the race card..."

Wilentz is correct.

He then makes a last foray into the "tone-deafness" of the Obama campaign in recent days. Thus, we're supposed to believe [...]that this so very clever campaign has suddenly and unaccountably gone entirely tone-deaf on race for no reason whatsoever.

You are only making his point, which is precisely that, as you say, this tone-deafness is quite conspicuous.  His brand of racial politics now officially sanctioned by liberal apologists, Obama surrogates like Kerry can now openly state, for the record, that Obama's most compelling qualification for being President is that "he's a black man".

This isn't much different from media pundits telling us that if we don't vote for Obama the Democratic party will fail because there will be a black revolt of some kind (even though no poll has even suggested that).

This isn't, after all, much different from Obama co-chair, Jesse Jackson Jr., telling black superdelegates that they had better vote based on skin color, or else there'd be trouble.

It also ignores the blatant race-baiting by Clinton surrogates in Texas

I take serious issue with your misleading introduction to these quotes - you are quoting a supporter on the ground that was interviewed at random.  That is not a surrogate speaking on behalf of the campaign.  Would you like America to believe that half the things said by Obamites on this website are official campaign statements?  If not, please retract.

Just as Wilentz overestimates Ferraro's representation in Obama's speech, he also undercounts the number of incidents, and ignores many that are entirely indefensible.

Aside from the fact that you are incorrect about the count, perhaps you could provide a single example of these 'entirely indefensible' incidents?  I would think that, in disproving his piece, you would have done that.  Yet you haven't.

I'm honestly disappointed by your piece, and I'll tell you why.  I used to be an Obama supporter, until I learned about all of this.  I voted for him in the VA primary.  And if you had given me just one reason to doubt that Barack Obama has deliberately engaged in the worst sort of racial politics, I would sleep tonight feeling a little less foolish about my vote.

But you didn't do that.

You claimed his piece was "poorly documented" when it is nothing but a compilation of factual examples.  What kind of additional documentation did you want?

You claimed his piece was filled with "circular logic".  Yet you failed to provide a single example of that.

You claimed his piece was "argument by assertion".  Yet you've not managed to disprove a single one of his examples.  You argue that we should interpret some of them differently.  But that hardly makes your case that he failed to support his assertion with examples and supporting evidence.

So, upon giving your diary a more careful read, I hold to the same conclusion I reached earlier today: cognitive dissonance.  Understanding that the factual information provided by Sean is incompatible with the media-created image of Barack that you hold as truth, you've gone through great pains of tortured logic to build a case that we should pretend these things never happened.  Well they did happen.  They continue to happen.  They're wrong.  And they've caused real damage.


by bobbank on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 10:33:48 PM EST


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